July 20, 2011

  • Yahweh = Allah? An analysis

    I write so rarely on here these days that, when I put a lot of work into a comment, I might as well adapt it into a post.

    This post is inspired by a great question over on @SirNickDon ‘s site, which in turn was inspired by Miroslav Volf’s book.  Basically, the question is, are the God of Christianity and Allah of Islam the same being?  Can all the differences between them be ascribed to misunderstandings?  Do Allah and Yahweh have the same essential character?

    It’s a question worth asking.

    I do think that a lot of Muslim theology about Allah arose in reaction to either misunderstandings about Christian doctrine or heresies within Christianity.  Even today, many less-educated Muslims think Christians believe the Trinity is God the Father, Jesus, and Mary; even better-educated Muslims often think Christians believe in three Gods.  Islam is strongly monotheistic (even as a proper understanding of Christian trinitarianism is), and thus reacts very negatively to these ideas.

    I also think that the name itself isn’t what’s important here: Arabic Christians refer to God as “Allah” as well.  But the “Allah” of an Arabic Christian is very different from the “Allah” of Islam. 

    And thus I have to say in the end that no, the God of Christianity and the God of Islam cannot be the same being, or one is a distorted account of the other.  Two things stand out in particular that cannot be reconciled between the two: first, the Incarnation, and second, Grace.

    The Incarnation is crucial to Christian theology, and is a defining belief.  First, it means that when Jesus sacrificed himself in the crucifixion, it was not merely a prophet who died, or even a perfect human: God himself died so that we could be reconciled to him.  This is a huge teaching, a mind-boggling idea.  And second, it means that God is not only a righteous being in the sky somewhere who sits over us in some kind of judgment: it means he knows what it’s like to be human, knows what it’s like to struggle with pain and death and grief and temptation, knows from firsthand experience.  The author of Hebrews underscores this point for us.  “Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.  For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.  Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.”

    Muslim theology, however, is offended by the rawness of the Incarnation.  Surah 4:171 reads, “O People of the Book!  commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah anything but the truth.  Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah, and His Word, which he bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messengers.  Do not say “Trinity”: desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One God: glory be to Him: (far Exalted is he) above having a son.  To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth.  And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.” 

    and Surah 5:17a reads, “In blasphemy indeed are those who say that God is Christ the son of Mary.”

    A God who would incarnate as human is as incompatible with Islam as a micro-USB cable is with my three-year-old cell phone.

    Grace, too, is a crucial part of Christianity.  Repeated over and over again in Christian thought we find the idea that the Law could not save, that it only showed our weakness and our inability to please God through our actions, fallen creatures that we are.  “For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as a sin offering, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.”  Instead, Christ fulfilled the Law on our behalf, he paid our bloodprice, he cast down death and rose in triumph.  So when we are saved, “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.”  We still are called to do works, but we do these works out of our love (John 14:23), and as a demonstration of our faith (James 2:18), NOT as anything on which our salvation is contingent.

    In Islam, however, while Allah is described as “gracious,” his grace is activated by obedience.  Works hold a more important role in a Muslim’s salvation than they do in a Christian’s.  It is he who “believes and does good deeds” that Allah forgives.  Surah 23:102-103 says that when “the Trumpet is blown,” that “Then those whose balance (of good deeds) is heavy, they will attain salvation: But those whose balance is light, will be those who have lost their souls; in Hell will they abide.”  Surah 33:70-71 reads, “Fear Allah, and (always) say a word directed to the Right: That He may make your conduct whole and sound and forgive you your sins: he that obeys Allah and his Messenger, has already attained the highest Achievement.”  Surah 49:14b reads, “But if you obey Allah and his Messenger, He will not belittle anything of your deeds, for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

    Modern Muslims confirm this interpretation.  Bassam Zawadi, in refutation of an article entitled “Does Islam teach salvation by works?” writes, “Matt Slick says that us Muslims are not sure if we are goingto heaven or not but Christians are. The thing is, us Muslims believe that if we live upto the standards that God wishes us to live up to. Meaning, if we truly try our best tokeep ourselves within God’s law (and God knows our intentions) then yes we believe that weare going to heaven.”

    I remember, when I was in college, a joint meeting my InterVarsity chapter had with the Muslim Student Association.  I got into a great theological discussion with the MSA’s chaplain.  He told me that, from a Muslim perspective, Islam is the balanced faith between the excesses of Judaism and Christianity.  He said that, as they see it, Judaism emphasized the Law too much, but Christianity emphasized Love too much.  Islam, to his mind, was Goldilocks’ bowl of porridge, “just right,” the perfect balance between Law and Love.  Muslims try hard to follow God’s law, and trust to God’s mercy for those areas where they’ve failed… but there’s no sense of why God would be merciful, or what (other than a previously good track record) activates God’s grace. 

    Allah of Islam does not have the impossible standard (for fallen humans, anyway) of the Christian Yahweh: his Law is possible, do-able.  If you try hard enough, you can be good enough.  And thus there is no need for sacrifice, for the Crucifixion, for the Incarnation.

    This may seem like a slight difference between the personalities of the two deities (or the one deity as described two different ways) but in the end it makes a world of difference.

Comments (19)

  • Since you re-posted and expanded a comment, I’ll re-post and expand my reply to that comment.

    First- yup, Arabic Christians were worshiping Allah many centuries before Muhammed came around.

    Second- Islam’s central creed begins, “There is no God except God,” and I concur completely. The creed continues, “and Muhammed is his prophet,” and I disagree completely.

    But if- as Islam teaches and as I believe- there is no God except God, then it is not possible to worship a false God. It is only possible to worship the true God in a false way. As, I believe, Muslims do. As practitioners of other religions do even more radically. And as- to a lesser degree- many (all?) Christians do from time to time.

  • Yes, the God of the Bible is a perfect, holy, and righteous God who in no way can tolerate or have fellowship with sin.   His creation of Adam and Eve was that of two sinless beings, but when sin came into the world, so did death for all of the human race.   Only through His Incarnate Son who lived a sinless life as a man could sinful man’s death sentence be reversed.   Without this act of grace and mercy from God, there is absolutely no hope for any man, but through Christ’s atonement all who come to Him in faith can receive that grace and mercy.   No other “god” can undo the devastation of man’s sin.    There is no comparison between the true God, Creator of the Universe and Savior of mankind and any other god, no matter how many follow it.

  • Islam doesn’t emphasize the law as much as Judaism? Hmm … it may not be as old and established .. Jewish rabbinical teachings have been published, polishing the 613 “thou shalt/nots” for well over two thousand years into a system where there are few questions left to be asked. But Islam sure does have its rules and prescriptions for human conduct. Sharia is by its nature a lot like the Law of Moses.

  • Excellent explanation!

  • “This may seem like a slight difference between the personalities of the two deities….” as it’s impossible in reality to have two different all-powerful;, omnipresent deities, I presume you really mean “This may seem like a slight difference between these two concept-systems of the one deity.”

  • @Kurasini - Interesting thought.  I’d love to explore this idea further.

    Recently I was reading Elijah’s duel with the prophets of Baal in 1 Kings.  Elijah seems to oscillate between treating Baal as a real-but-inferior god and treating Baal as a nothing, a non-entity, nonexistent.  On the one hand he legitimizes the worship of Baal, in a sense, by setting up the duel.  On the other, in his mockery (“Pray louder!  Perhaps he’s on vacation?”), he seems to strongly imply that Baal doesn’t exist at all.

    There are passages (Leviticus 17:7, Deuteronomy 32:17, 1 Corinthians 10:20, Revelation 9:20) which seem to say that worshiping other gods than God is really worshiping demons.  (That’s certainly true at least from an anthropological standpoint: whenever religions clash, the victorious pantheon continues as gods, and the defeated pantheon tends to be relegated to the position of demons or monsters or elves.  See also: the Aesir and the Vanir, the Olympians and the Titans, etc.)  There are also passages that seem to legitimize the existence of other gods, as in Exodus 12:12 or 20:3, or Deut 10:7.  (Whether these are to be understood metaphorically or not, I’m not certain.)  And then there are passages that set up God as not only the most powerful deity, not only the good deity, not only the Creator deity or chief deity, but the only deity.  (Deut 4:39, 6:4, Isaiah 43:10, 46:9.) 

    I don’t think these are in contradiction, necessarily: I think they can all be true based on perspective or circumstance.  I believe that Yahweh is the only true God, the only one worthy of god-level worship, and that there are none others like him; however, I believe that there are impersonators, whether unconscious impersonators as in the wooden idol described in Isaiah, or deliberate demonic impersonators, or simply false views of Yahweh.

    That being said, though: can we really say, then, that all deity-worship is really worship (whether distorted or undistorted) of the true God?  It’s one thing to say this of the Allah of Islam, who shares so many characteristics with Yahweh–Creator, all-powerful, all-righteous, source of salvation, judge, unified, etc.  As darkoozerripple rightly pointed out, you can’t have two of these guys running around out there.  But could we also say this of Thor, or Morrigan, or Apollo?  Paul equated Yahweh with the Athenian’s unknown god, but not with Zeus.

  • @OutOfTheAshes - and yet both the Latin word for God (Deus) and the Greek word for God (Theos) are derived from “Zeus.”

  • @Kurasini - the same applies for the name of God in many languages… a word originally applied to a very inferior concept of deity- but rather than saying, “Theos/ Gott/ Bogh is not God,” we say “in Christianity we learn the truth about who Theos/ Gott/ Bogh truly is.”

  • All that said… it’s true enough that “they worship a false God” and “they worship a true God falsely” are more or less two ways of getting at the same thing.

    But Muslims do affirm that we Christians are not pagan- that we worship the one true God. This is affirmed by most (all?) of the ayatollahs, as well as by most Sunni leaders. I believe even the Koran affirms that Christians worship the true God. And so, in dialogue with a Muslim, for me to start out by saying, “No, you worship a false God”… well, I think the conversation would end right there. I don’t think it would be fruitful. And so it is true for me to say, “Yes, we worship the same God” and continue the conversation from there- being frank about the differences, but not hostile.

  • I haven’t read til the end, but perhaps i just want to comment so that i don’t forget..

    when you phrased the question to be “Do Allah and Yahweh have the same essential character?”, i think it was a bit different than what the original post saaid: “the God of the Quran and the God of the Old and New Testaments can be fairly understood as the same being.”

    As for “the same being”, i think the books did refer to the same being, the same God that created earth, heaven and hell, adam and eve, etc etc..

    As for “the same essential character”, i think it definitely be quite different, because of many reasons.. 

    and that basically becomes the discussion about why is it that the character of the same God is described so differently by these different religion, or sources..

  • “I do think that a lot of Muslim theology about Allah arose in reaction
    to either misunderstandings about Christian doctrine or heresies within
    Christianity.  Even today, many less-educated Muslims think Christians
    believe the Trinity is God the Father, Jesus, and Mary; even
    better-educated Muslims often think Christians believe in three Gods.  “

    I think it would be quite misleading in judging islamic theology about Allah based on what muslim believe nowadays.. 

    tracking back to the primary source, the quran, and muhammad, i’m not sure how the comparison to christian doctrine comes in..   particularly, because he is not exposed to them, and he is also illiterate.. 

  • “But the “Allah” of an Arabic Christian is very different from the “Allah” of Islam. “

    If you mean the characteristics attributed to “Allah” by islam, christianity, and pagan by arabs are different, then that makes sense..

    if to say that they are referring to different thing, that doesn’t make much sense..

    when islam came to the arab, they are not brought a new God to worship, instead they were asked to actually and truly worship the one real God that they have known about all along but still haven’t worship…  

    Anyways, I do get this post, in the sense that, of course it is different what muslim believe about God and what christianity teach about God..  

  • Sink all religion to the bottom of the fucking ocean where it belongs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @Kurasini - I thought all three were derived from a common source in the proto-Indo-European common religion?  Let me see if I can dredge up a link on that…  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_religion#Pantheon

  • @Kurasini - I think that’s a good point about it being a conversation-killer.

    All the same, let’s say someone’s trying to describe my friend Dan.  Let’s say they get his height and hair color and birthplace, but don’t quite have his personality right.  I think the line between me saying “You don’t have Dan right” and “You must be talking about a different person” depends on how divergent their description of Dan is from how I know him: slight divergences could be attributed to misunderstandings, but there’s a certain point where I can’t say we’re even talking about the same thing.

    Sure, with Islam or with Mormonism, their descriptions of God are close enough to ours that we could say, “Look, I think we’re talking about the same guy, but I don’t believe he’s like that.”  But when you hit Anubis or Odin or Ganesh, the descriptions of personality, powers, likes and dislikes, expectations of humanity, etc., are so different, can we really say we’re talking about the same being?  I think you can work with a “Great Spirit” or an abstract righteous Creator-god, but the more anthropomorphic gods, the more fallible gods, the more animalistic gods, how can we equate them with Yahweh?

    @DominatingThinspo - I always forget if the Atlantic Ocean or the Pacific Ocean is the Fucking one.  What if we drop it in the wrong ocean?

  • @maniacsicko - I don’t see why he wouldn’t have been: Christian missionaries had been active in that region for centuries before.

  • @OutOfTheAshes - lol If we drop it in the wrong one the fish will pick it up and start a Jihad! :)

  • @OutOfTheAshes - well, from documented history of his life (that i know of), he came into contact with the jews and christians only in the last 10 years of his life, around the age of 53..    that was after the migration to madinah, away from his origin in makkah..   so i guess my opinion is built upon those informations..  

  • @OutOfTheAshes - That’s fair enough.

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